A few comments and questions, offered constructively:
a. If there are to be guidelines, they will need to be captured and
presented somewhere in order for community members or potential community
members to know that such guidelines exist. I don’t think it is safe to
assume that everyone will simply “know how to behave”. Summarizing them at
the top of the welcome page for the group, for instance, would seem to me
to be one logical place for that.
b. Recognize that there are going to be varying scales for many of us where
what some participants might feel to be off-topic, offensive, or profane is
not considered so by others.
c. “English as a first language”… does this refer to the communication
here or to the participants? I think I know the intent, but the way it is
phrased in your post leaves it open to interpretation. If we are establish
guidelines, we’ll want them to be as clear and unambiguous as we can.
d. Would you elaborate on your #3? I’m not sure what you are pointing
e. RE your comment about the effort of developing a code of conduct: that’s
effectively what you are proposing here, at some level. I see two benefits
to that effort. First, it shows people we care enough to take seriously
making sure people understand the expectations regarding how people conduct
themselves within the community. Second, it provides a clear set of
expectations of behavior and how behavior deemed unacceptable will be
addressed. I see value in value in both.
f. If there are guidelines and if they are to be real, the list moderators
(or “shepherds”, perhaps, as I don’t see them moderating content under most
situations) will need to be responsible for timely intervention and
providing guidance to participants (out of band, in some cases) as content
and community members drift toward or step over those guidelines. That can
be a challenging and sometimes unpleasant responsibility. Who would those
moderators be and are they willing to take that on?On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 10:30:06 AM UTC-7, Alex Skinner wrote:
I want to support a vibrant community for the Lucee list but at times the
tone and interactions on here are really not acceptable. Usually, this is a
handful of people being louder than most.
The Association and its members should not be fielding complaints
regarding this list or spending effort in that regard.
I want this list to be approachable to all contributors, new and old, and
that people of all levels be that:
- English as a first language
- Experience of CFML and programming in general
- Confidence in writing or self-confidence possibly.
That everyone is comfortable contributing and are not going to get shot
Like all communities we decide the environment we create.
I for one see no benefit in the time associated with creating a code of
conduct like we see at certain conferences, we are all adults and know how
I also don’t think this should be a moderated list but can I ask that if
threads turn into an off topic discussion involving just a few individuals
that you take the discussion elsewhere.
If people leave the list or put the list on digest because they want to
filter some of this stuff then to me it’s not just them that loses out.
In general terms, I feel really positive about Lucee, the progress and how
the community has rallied around it.
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