Well this was quite the read. The Lucee logo is meant to be a piece of ribbon in 3D, like a lot of things I now can’t unsee whats been pointed out. Logo was designed by a lady, i’ll point her to the post i’m not asking her.
The Lucee list, like the community is very male dominated, please don’t let this discourse be a reason not to continue to participate. I’d hope the aim with community guidance is to guide not to censor, in my experience such guides usually cause more problems than they solve though or indeed become the topic of conversation.
From my perspective i do think there is a difference between community members signing off in a signature with biblical references or continually making evangelical posts, moving the topic of conversation perpetually to religion and what Ortus highlight with their references on their products and marketing. This is fundamentally their choice and right, as it is for people to choose not to use them. I mean personally I think its a shame because their products are by a country mile the best.
I have to say i would love to be religious, I’d love to have the comfort that many take from their beliefs and the sense of community and belonging. I’m not and when I see the Ortus biblical naming and references it reminds me that others do, and take their faith which includes the spreading of the gospel seriously, it doesn’t trigger me in the way it does others and I understand that and have sympathy for those it does.
As we know with all faith and religion it is devicisive and there are extreme charactisations that related to Muslims and i’m sure the report cited in the thread is very troubling reading. Certainly I’m saddened/troubled/angry by the recent direction and politics in many countries
It is absolutely fine for someone to say they are triggered by reading bible references, that they personally would see that as a reason not to use the product. I also entirely understand the anger directed to groups, i’m not a women so can’t profess to know how that feels but having rights taken away and having a small section of society control the rights of others I feel is wrong.
Back to the point though. I had absolutely no issue with people raising the point for discussion (it was off topic a new thread would have been cleaner). But for me when we start mentioning people by name and extended things beyond facts e.g. “but I’m leery of that being an “evangelical mission” aka brainwashing children,” we move from a discussion of how the facts make us feel to charactisations and potential libel.
I think its reasonable as a community to say we strive to avoid discussions of Religion, politics, race and sex/gender, not to censor but because they can so quickly become inflamed, it isn’t for Lucee to set what the line is, remember there is no entity.
We could of say that in troubling times we do need to discuss these issues that make us uncomfortable, confront the injustices etc. I think @JenniferHerrera observations that biblical evangelism is poss misplaced, is an important topic for discussion but the references to “religious cult” and brainwashing are unnecessarily insulting to other community members who are of the christian faith. It isn’t about who it is, their gender or closing down or censoring, its about pointing out that either you have the discussion about the issue at hand without making charactisations of all Christians are X and Y and certainly not calling out individuals by name or as a community maybe you’re best avoiding the topic.
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But it also perfectly symbolizes how the vast majority of Lucee forum members, and 100% of recent participants other than me, are MEN. And I love men, too, but it’s so much easier for you to ignore the perspectives of women (e.g. the Pew report re: majority of Christians oppose a woman’s most fundamental human right) and disguise that as “being nice”. Before you criticize me again of being “not respectful”, take a look in the mirror.
