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In case you missed it:

And my initial take on it:
http://blog.adamcameron.me/2015/05/railo-speaks-at-long-last.html--
Adam

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I can’t find anything online about this 4FTI company or Simon Slooten. I am
assuming it is because I am trying to find a foreign company from my US
location and Google isn’t giving me results.

Does anyone know anymore about this company?On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 4:34:39 AM UTC-5, Adam Cameron wrote:

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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I assume the LAS will need to get legal advice before posting any response,
but I’m going to ask anyway: is there any response that LAS are able to
make publicly at this time to this article?

Regards,
Daniel Jansen
Web Design Batemans Bay

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GNU licenseLe lundi 4 mai 2015 11:34:39 UTC+2, Adam Cameron a écrit :

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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Reminds of the whole SCO vs Novell, then ultimately SCO vs IBM.

SCO ultimately lost the case as they , themselves released some articles of
code under the GPL, and that the programmers in question where free to
spend their time, as they wished.

The EU is more anti-trust than the United States, and I highly doubt this
will do anything besides further drive support for lucee.On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 5:34:39 AM UTC-4, Adam Cameron wrote:

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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Behalf Of AJ Mercer
maybe if the legal side gets too hard and too messy, Lucee could drop
.cfm/.cfc and focus on .lucee as a new language, as a fresh start and not have
the backwards compatiblity issues of old CFML.

No. The file extension, compatibility and dialect is irrelevant, it is the code base that matters.> -----Original Message-----

From: lucee@googlegroups.com [mailto:lucee@googlegroups.com] On

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This reminds me of the various legal spats that have happened in opensource
over the years.

Okay, so lets say Lucee can not be forked (for sake of argument) by the
folks that created Railo, they are not slaves and not barred from
contributing to any open source project.

So lets see exactly what happens… Lucee gets sacked, suddenly “Lucee2” (or
what ever you want to call it) suddenly gets born, and again the progress
marches on.

maybe the company would have been better served hiring lawyers to
understand the legal ramifications of purchasing an Open Source project
instead of a knee jerk reaction to something that they have lost control
over.On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 5:34:39 AM UTC-4, Adam Cameron wrote:

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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nice …
Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support lundi 4 mai 2015 11:34:39 UTC+2, Adam Cameron a écrit :

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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GNU license: railo/License.txt at master · getrailo/railo · GitHub
https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txtLe lundi 4 mai 2015 11:34:39 UTC+2, Adam Cameron a écrit :

In case you missed it:

Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last

–
Adam

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Best of Luck suing the user-base of an Open Source product.

First they would have to prove in court that they owned the copyrighted
works in question, something that is seriously in doubt.

Next they would have prove that a “forum” or public debate is enough to
move forward with a John Doe case in their prospective country.

Next they would, at least in the US again run another legal hurtle to even
prove their suit has merit, which given the Bill of Rights, without an
outright customer list a John Doe suit will fought by most ISPs as it would
leave the ISP vulnerable to a lawsuit by their consumers.

Lastly you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, in a court of law that
posting on a forum about a product that may or may not be infringed upon is
a direct violation of copyright law. Something most legal experts would
laugh at.

Then of course there are those technical aspects, such as the various laws
governing discovery, in which the plaintiff would be hard pressed to
actually produce substantial evidence to support their case.

Lastly, the defendants could all demand that the plaintiff in question has
sufficient capitol to cover the costs of any legal action against them in a
counter suit, forcing the plaintiff to post several million dollars per
suit is not an uncommon practice. Something I highly doubt this group even
has the means to do.

At the end of the day, it maybe a headache but any attempt to do this to an
individual or company in the United States would result in a couple of
million or more dollar successful counter suit by the defendants in each
case.

Just my two-cents.

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For the sake of letting all of us form our own opinions: Can someone please
post the text or a link to the License that was bundled in the last Railo
build that was available as free / open source software?

The statement that one cannot freely form an open source project is a
little … smelly…

DNOn Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 8:30:19 AM UTC-6, Terry Whitney wrote:

Best of Luck suing the user-base of an Open Source product.

First they would have to prove in court that they owned the copyrighted
works in question, something that is seriously in doubt.

Next they would have prove that a “forum” or public debate is enough to
move forward with a John Doe case in their prospective country.

Next they would, at least in the US again run another legal hurtle to even
prove their suit has merit, which given the Bill of Rights, without an
outright customer list a John Doe suit will fought by most ISPs as it would
leave the ISP vulnerable to a lawsuit by their consumers.

Lastly you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, in a court of law
that posting on a forum about a product that may or may not be infringed
upon is a direct violation of copyright law. Something most legal experts
would laugh at.

Then of course there are those technical aspects, such as the various laws
governing discovery, in which the plaintiff would be hard pressed to
actually produce substantial evidence to support their case.

Lastly, the defendants could all demand that the plaintiff in question has
sufficient capitol to cover the costs of any legal action against them in a
counter suit, forcing the plaintiff to post several million dollars per
suit is not an uncommon practice. Something I highly doubt this group even
has the means to do.

At the end of the day, it maybe a headache but any attempt to do this to
an individual or company in the United States would result in a couple of
million or more dollar successful counter suit by the defendants in each
case.

Just my two-cents.

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Hi AJ,

4FTI is a Dutch company, registered at the Dutch chamber of commerce at www.kvk.nl http://www.kvk.nl/
I looked it up already, and 4FTI is 100% owned by Chirpa Holding B.V., which in turn has the following relationships:

Kind regards,

Paul KlinkenbergOp 5 mei 2015, om 00:00 heeft AJ Michels <@AJ_Michels> het volgende geschreven:

I can’t find anything online about this 4FTI company or Simon Slooten. I am assuming it is because I am trying to find a foreign company from my US location and Google isn’t giving me results.

Does anyone know anymore about this company?

On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 4:34:39 AM UTC-5, Adam Cameron wrote:
In case you missed it:
Railo Technologies - Open Source CFML - Professional Services, Consulting and Support http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/a-message-from-the-majority-shareholder-of-the-railo-company

And my initial take on it:
Adam Cameron's Dev Blog: Railo speaks at long last http://blog.adamcameron.me/2015/05/railo-speaks-at-long-last.html

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Adam

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