[Lucee] Re: 4FTi speaks

Aha! So the subject of this thread is incorrect! It should be

4FTi speaks … and threatens anyone using Railo who might be associated
with Lucee. Got it!

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skype: ariamediaOn Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Malcolm O’Keeffe < @Malcolm_O_Keeffe> wrote:

As a Director on the TRC Board of Directors, and representative of Blue
River (a minority shareholder in TRC), I’d like to emphasize a couple key
points:

  1. The blog post in question is inappropriate. It’s the opinion of 4FTi,
    but NOT of TRC (and certainly not of Blue River).

Because there has been no internal TRC discussion regarding this blog
post, the blog post should not have been made using the Railo brand and
website. In short, 4FTi should not have posted their opinions on the TRC
blog, as the blog post simply reflects the opinion of one of 3 shareholders
in TRC.

  1. As a minority shareholder in TRC, we do not agree with 4FTi’s
    characterization of events, nor with their conclusions about “what this
    means for Lucee”.

We will attempt to come to some agreement with 4FTi and RT regarding this
issue, but past attempts have been less than fruitful, so we’ll see what
solutions might actually be possible.

Malcolm O’Keeffe
Blue River/Mura CMS

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Nando Breiter <@Nando_Breiter> wrote:

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Jon Clausen <@Jon_Clausen wrote:

Railo 4.2 was published with a GNU license:
https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txt
https://github.com/getrailo/railo/blob/master/License.txt

It seems to me that, unless there’s Non-OSS code in Lucee, the fork is
on the up-and-up and any claim to violations of IP rights is smoke and
mirrors. The use of the Railo name in the license is a component of the
license, itself.

The name “Railo” in any form does not appear in the license text
referenced in the link above …

Non-compete clauses would be a separate issue, but the use of the source
code to create a derivative software product is legal.

From a careful reading of the 4FTI blog post, it seems their
contention is that they wanted to create a commercial version of Railo with
release 5, and they think they own some of the code that has gone into
Lucee 5. That said, some of their statements seem somewhat baseless, for
instance:

“However, Lucee was founded by the same people who still own and operate
Railo Technologies GmbH (“RT”), a part owner of TRC. And they used the
Railo platform to do it.”

… used the Railo platform??? What does that mean? Railo codebase? Railo
trademarks? Railo community? Railo funding? Couldn’t be the 4.2 codebase,
because that’s open source under GNU. The Lucee team has not used Railo
trademarks or the Railo name, have made very scant mention on the Railo
mailing list. They certainly don’t seem to be getting funded anymore
from TRC.

Here’s another statement:

‘Among other things, RT (including its owners and management) “cannot
license the Railo Server or perform any services in connection with or
related to the Railo Server for or on behalf of any third party except as
expressly authorized by TRC
”’

Railo server? What is that in the light of the GNU license if the code
base is forked and the name changed? The 4FTI blog post makes the
contention that they, through TRC, own the “Railo Server”, but my reading
of the GNU license text seems to forbid this:

When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom of use,
not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that
you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge
for this service if you wish); that you receive source code or can get
it if you want it; that you can change the software and use pieces of
it in new free programs; and that you are informed that you can do
these things.

  • To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid*
    distributors to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrender these
    rights.

Here’s what I think is happening. Even if there is thin legal basis to
their claims, 4FTI most likely has much more money to pay lawyers. It seems
to be an intimidation tactic to me.

Here’s another quote from the blog post:

“The open source version of Railo is available to the world. But that
world does not include RT or any of its principals …” (specifically
referring to Gert and Micha).

The GNU license seems to indicate exactly the opposite. There are
certainly companies throughout the world that have supported the
development of open source software, but that does not give them the right
to claim they own it.

“The use and development of Railo to release what is now being
“packaged” as Lucee 5 was not authorized by TRC and, therefore, remains the
property of TRC.”

“For this reason, we are compelled to provide notice that any use of
Railo by Lucee or by its membership may constitute an unlawful infringement
of TRC’s intellectual property rights.”

Really? So if you think I’m a Lucee member because Aria Media is a
corporate sponsor of Lucee, you are telling me that I cannot continue to
use Railo because it’s an unlawful infringement of TRC’s intellectual
property rights? That’s quite a stretch, completely contrary to the
GNU license Railo was released under.

So bring it on asshole. There are hundreds of people and companies still
using Railo that you might consider to be Lucee “members” if joining
the mailing list is sufficient. Sue us all for unlawful infringement of
TRC’s intellectual property rights.

What a bloody jerk.

Nando

Jon

On May 4, 2015 at 8:30:54 AM, @imadgmst (@imadgmst) wrote:

nice …

http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/a-message-from-the-majority-shareholder-of-the-railo-company

Le lundi 4 mai 2015 11:34:39 UTC+2, Adam Cameron a écrit :

In case you missed it:

http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/a-message-from-the-majority-shareholder-of-the-railo-company

And my initial take on it:
http://blog.adamcameron.me/2015/05/railo-speaks-at-long-last.html


Adam


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4FTi speaks … and threatens anyone using Railo who might be associated
with Lucee. Got it!

Indeed.

I think it’s great that Malcolm made BlueRiver’s point of view clear since
they are also a part of TRC and do not agree with or support the public
statements made by 4FTi.

Honestly, I have never heard of 4FTi till that blog post. No public
promotion of Railo or involvement in the community. No support
what-so-ever. Maybe it was there, but I sure didn’t see it. They were like
a ghost organization.

Now today, the ONLY thing I personally know about 4FTi is that they are
turning patent-troll-ish against the entire community of a product which
(in my memory) they seemed to have never supported at all, yet now would
like to claim some form of ownership of?

That’s some slippery and disgusting stuff.

-CameronOn Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Nando Breiter wrote: