Lucee IDE / Editor Plugin Survey

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Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we
should consider creating a plugin for.

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

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I will use any IDE that has support for AWS SDK Toolkit. This frees me from
writing many scripts and workarounds.
Today that is mainly Eclipse and Visual Studio.

-Bilal

3

I’m game to switch over to IntelliJ from CFEclipse if there’s an Lucee
targeted plugin. I’ve heard almost nothing but good things about the speed
of IntelliJ, so I’m happy to learn.

The one thing that really keeps me on CFEclipse more than anything else is
Mylyn. Thought I see there is an Atlassian connectior for IntelliJ.

Chip.On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we
should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

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If I could just pick one, IntelliJ is my choise too.

If I had to compromise with one of the others, I really can’t pick one. I
have used all of them for a couple of hours, nothing more. So I think my
choise would be based on which of these has the best chance of being
maintained continuously in the future.On Thursday, 4 June 2015 23:38:14 UTC+3, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we
should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

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I chose Atom, because I thought that perhaps because Google is behind it,
it might have the best chance of being maintained and enhanced into the
future. That said, I’m certainly not an expert on the pros and cons of
various IDEs. It might be valuable if others also share the reasoning
behind their choice.

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skype: ariamediaOn Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Dixon <@Andrew_Dixon> wrote:

Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we
should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

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Here we go for me:

  • I chose Atom too because it is free, open source and supported by a
    large company (Github).
  • Brackets might be a good choice too in terms of exposing ACF devs to
    Lucee since Adobe is behind it. Depends on how many ACF devs use it though.
  • Sublime is great, but depends on a single developer.
  • IntelliJ IDEA and Eclipse are just too bloated in my opinion.

Should the decision be based on what’s - in theory - “better”, or should it
be based on what most CFML devs actually use? For the purposes of the
language plug-in, “what people actually use” trumps “what they perhaps
ought to be using”.

I saw Kai comment somewhere that if Lucee is chasing JVM devs from other
platforms - Scala, Groovy, etc - then IntelliJ is what they use, so that’s
what Lucee should pursue. I think his comment about Scala / Groovy users
might be correct… but I think it might be a bit pre-emptive. I think
Lucee should focus on the audience it currently has, not on the audience it
might possibly hope to get (but there’s absolutely no evidence as yet that
they ever will). Deal with that when it’s time to.

That said, I’m not disagreeing with anyone’s preferences, I’m more
questioning the weighting people might be putting on some considerations.

FWIW, I use Sublime Text for CFML and IntelliJ (via PHPStorm) for PHP. I
prefer ST, as I think IntelliJ have made some odd UX choices in places. But
there’s not much in it either way. Hey, I even still like Eclipse too! I
have ST and IntelliJ both open, all day every day.On Friday, 5 June 2015 10:12:33 UTC+1, jmoniatte wrote:

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I personally use ST3 and like it ok. I really think the lucee org needs to
spend some of the development money getting a good plugin WITH step
debugging either on Webstorm or Intellij. My personal experience with
Fusion Debug and CF Builder debugging has never been all that great as any
kinda of sizable application and framework always seemed to slow down the
process too much and the cf logger project and enhanced trace turned out to
be faster. Not having a professional IDE and not an enhanced text editor
plugin in my opinion reflects poorly even, if that is not the reality,
perception wins!

Thanks>

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+100 for IntelliJ!

I cfscript 99% of the time, only using cfml when I twiddling markup.
Cfscripting in IntelliJ is a beautiful thing. Yes, there are few quirks
here and there, but it is highly usable – and I code with it many hours
every day. Live Templates are the bomb!

I like IntelliJ so much that I would be willing to donate some serious
dollars to improve and refine IntelliJ’s cfscript/cfml plugin.On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we
should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

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Dan,

There are other GIT plugins for SublimeText. Some of them let you access
the command line from directly within the editor. Last time I looked (a
few minutes ago in packagecontrol.io) there are 71 different Git plugins
for Sublime Text. Those are only the ones available with Package Control.
There are probably others on GitHub.

SteveOn Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dan Skaggs <@Dan_Skaggs> wrote:

I realize everyone is different, but I just can’t get past how stripped
down both Sublime and Atom are. I tried to use Atom this week for a bit.
Yeah it was nice and fast on my projects but the Git workflow, for example,
was terrible even after installing the most popular Git plugin. How anyone
can think it’s a good idea to bring up a text editor, move the cursor to
certain lines in the editor and type a character to initiate a Git command
is the optimum way to interact with a Git repo is beyond me. Learning all
the Git commands to use in a terminal session is far more preferable IMO
(something I regularly do as well as using Git from within IntelliJ). It’s
a case of someone trying to shoe-horn non-text-editor functions into a text
editor.

I’ve had a few aggravations with IntelliJ recently, but with the amount of
systems and concepts that I deal with on a daily basis that are all rolled
into one interface inside IntelliJ…including Jira, Git (BitBucket),
Bamboo, Jenkins, Dash, etc…there’s no way that Sublime, Atom or Brackets
can come close to the level of unified interface that IntelliJ does.

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I said before “I
realize everyone is different” and this is just my opinion. Just please
everyone remember that each of our own ways of being productive may or may
not work for other people and that we shouldn’t pigeon-hole these
discussions to one editor just because it’s popular right now.

Dan

On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Dixon <@Andrew_Dixon> wrote:

Can’t say I’ve had this problem with the latest releases of Atom… it was
pretty terrible the first time I tried it, maybe a year ago, but these
latest releases have been just fine, even with the large projects I have
tried with it. I’ve only been using it exclusively for just over a week now
but I’ve had zero problems and it is no slower for me than Sublime Text 3.

@Harry, which OS are you using it on?

Kind regards,

Andrew
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On 14 June 2015 at 20:44, Kai Koenig <@Kai_Koenig> wrote:

My experience with both Atom and Brackets in the past was very similar.
Works fine for small projects and small(er) files, but as soon as I’d throw
a project with hundreds of folders, some of them having thousands of files
at them, they regularly become unusable for me.

Sublime and IntelliJ work much better for me when it comes to that.

Cheers
Kai

This woke my interest in Atom, so I downloaded and played a little bit
with it. Unfortunately my experience was not very good, I had 2 freezes
(after searching the complete project and after opening a big file) and one
crash.
In my opinion Sublime is better in almost all aspects, and a lot faster
too.

-Harry

Am Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 23:05:47 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew Dixon:

Hi All,

The results of the editor survey are in, here is the overview of the
results:

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

Looks like Sublime is the clear favourite but I would highly recommend
anyone using Sublime to take a look at Atom (https://atom.io/). To me
Atom is as good as Sublime now and getting better everyday. It’s
development is highly active and unlike Sublime it is open source and free,
just like Lucee.

Kind regards,

Andrew
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Association Member http://lucee.org/

On 10 June 2015 at 19:40, rrho...@gmail.com wrote:

+100 for IntelliJ!

I cfscript 99% of the time, only using cfml when I twiddling markup.
Cfscripting in IntelliJ is a beautiful thing. Yes, there are few quirks
here and there, but it is highly usable – and I code with it many hours
every day. Live Templates are the bomb!

I like IntelliJ so much that I would be willing to donate some serious
dollars to improve and refine IntelliJ’s cfscript/cfml plugin.

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which
IDE/Editor we should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with
everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net/ - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org/

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I realize everyone is different, but I just can’t get past how stripped down both Sublime and Atom are. I tried to use Atom this week for a bit. Yeah it was nice and fast on my projects but the Git workflow, for example, was terrible even after installing the most popular Git plugin. How anyone can think it’s a good idea to bring up a text editor, move the cursor to certain lines in the editor and type a character to initiate a Git command is the optimum way to interact with a Git repo is beyond me. Learning all the Git commands to use in a terminal session is far more preferable IMO (something I regularly do as well as using Git from within IntelliJ). It’s a case of someone trying to shoe-horn non-text-editor functions into a text editor.

I’ve had a few aggravations with IntelliJ recently, but with the amount of systems and concepts that I deal with on a daily basis that are all rolled into one interface inside IntelliJ…including Jira, Git (BitBucket), Bamboo, Jenkins, Dash, etc…there’s no way that Sublime, Atom or Brackets can come close to the level of unified interface that IntelliJ does.

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I said before “I realize everyone is different” and this is just my opinion. Just please everyone remember that each of our own ways of being productive may or may not work for other people and that we shouldn’t pigeon-hole these discussions to one editor just because it’s popular right now.

Dan> On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Dixon <@Andrew_Dixon> wrote:

Can’t say I’ve had this problem with the latest releases of Atom… it was pretty terrible the first time I tried it, maybe a year ago, but these latest releases have been just fine, even with the large projects I have tried with it. I’ve only been using it exclusively for just over a week now but I’ve had zero problems and it is no slower for me than Sublime Text 3.

@Harry, which OS are you using it on?

Kind regards,

Andrew
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On 14 June 2015 at 20:44, Kai Koenig <@Kai_Koenig mailto:Kai_Koenig> wrote:
My experience with both Atom and Brackets in the past was very similar. Works fine for small projects and small(er) files, but as soon as I’d throw a project with hundreds of folders, some of them having thousands of files at them, they regularly become unusable for me.

Sublime and IntelliJ work much better for me when it comes to that.

Cheers
Kai

This woke my interest in Atom, so I downloaded and played a little bit with it. Unfortunately my experience was not very good, I had 2 freezes (after searching the complete project and after opening a big file) and one crash.
In my opinion Sublime is better in almost all aspects, and a lot faster too.

-Harry

Am Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2015 23:05:47 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew Dixon:
Hi All,

The results of the editor survey are in, here is the overview of the results:

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire https://docs.google.com/forms/d/15-wNd25urOTxH0OsM74XDNpFKhSVk9wqEKCanUkdScw/viewanalytics

Looks like Sublime is the clear favourite but I would highly recommend anyone using Sublime to take a look at Atom (https://atom.io/ https://atom.io/). To me Atom is as good as Sublime now and getting better everyday. It’s development is highly active and unlike Sublime it is open source and free, just like Lucee.

Kind regards,

Andrew
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On 10 June 2015 at 19:40, <rrho...@gmail.com <>> wrote:
+100 for IntelliJ!

I cfscript 99% of the time, only using cfml when I twiddling markup. Cfscripting in IntelliJ is a beautiful thing. Yes, there are few quirks here and there, but it is highly usable – and I code with it many hours every day. Live Templates are the bomb!

I like IntelliJ so much that I would be willing to donate some serious dollars to improve and refine IntelliJ’s cfscript/cfml plugin.

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-4, Andrew Dixon wrote:
Hi All,

As per Konstantinos suggestion, here is a survey about which IDE/Editor we should consider creating a plugin for.

Lucee Editor / IDE questionnaire https://docs.google.com/forms/d/15-wNd25urOTxH0OsM74XDNpFKhSVk9wqEKCanUkdScw/viewform?usp=send_form

I will run the survey for a week and then share the results with everyone.

So please go answer, only 4 quick questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net/ - Lucee Association Member http://lucee.org/

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I’m on a Mac :-/> Maybe it’s an issue specific to the Windows version then as I honestly have had none of these issue with the Mac version.

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On 15 June 2015 at 00:25, Tony Junkes <@Tony_Junkes> wrote:
I’ve been using ST3 as my main editor for a while now and love it. I’ve been trying out Atom for Windows lately and def want to give it a chance but I’ve been having similar issues as some of the others. Upon install it was really sluggish and crashed a few times afterwards when I was trying to test out the environment. Lately I haven’t had any crashes but it def hangs from time to time on files where sublime just moves right along.

Just an observation. Still playing with it.

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