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G’day:
I just saw someone mention a CFUG meeting on Twitter.

Should some representation from Lucee be trying to contact CFUGs to do a
presentation to them?

What is the programme for getting the word out there?–
Adam

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There’s a public list of CFUG on:

Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well maintained, quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

Essentially Lucee needs kind of a community outreach program to coordinate people giving sessions to the UGs. Happy to offer that to some of the AU- and NZ-based UGs where I regularly travel to anyway or so.

Cheers
Kai> G’day:

I just saw someone mention a CFUG meeting on Twitter.

Should some representation from Lucee be trying to contact CFUGs to do a presentation to them?

What is the programme for getting the word out there?

–
Adam

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I’d agree with Nick and Denard, but with one wrinkle. I’m the current
BACFUG manager (the second one since Sean stepped down), and we still
meet at an Adobe office in one of their large meeting rooms. So it’s
still a bit awkward to have Railo (or Lucee now) specific topics, but
I’m definitely open to having them if Adobe doesn’t care.

-Carl V.On 2/2/2015 10:21 PM, Denard Springle wrote:

Yeah, gonna have to concur with Nick. CFUGs aren’t even relevant to
Adobe anymore. CFML isn’t really relevant to anyone at Adobe, except
maybe enterprise sales. And most CFUGs have become less CFML oriented
and more web development oriented to stay alive, so… I can say
NVCFUG would be more than happy to have someone present on Lucee, or
give me a hand with some materials and I’d be happy to present Lucee
to NVCFUG myself :wink:

– Denny

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 10:07:11 PM UTC-5, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:

Since Adobe killed off their developer relations team and barely
has their community team (UG / ACPs / etc) doing anything, there
really aren't any rules anymore.  I'm pretty sure our local CFUG
has had more Railo presentations than ACF presentations.

I couldn't test my luck by using one of the UGM/ACP Connect
accounts, but otherwise I doubt the meeting topics are even on
their radar anymore.

-Nick

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 7:55:41 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote:

    On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Kai Koenig <grmb...@gmail.com> wrote:

    There’s a public list of CFUG on:

    http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/
    <http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/>

    Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well
    maintained, quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

    One thing to bear in mind is that Adobe has not been very
    receptive to its official CFUGs having talks about "competing"
    CFML engines so tread carefully. They’ve changed the rules
    about it several times. At one time it was completely
    verboten, then they softened to allow community members to
    present as long as it was not recorded / broadcast via
    Connect… I’m not sure where things stand these days (it’s been
    a while since I presented Railo at BACFUG and that was
    considered a personal favor to me at the time). Also a number
    of CFUGs have become more-than-CF UGs and the rules there may
    be different again.

    Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
    An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

    dev.Objective() - Developing Apps, Developing Skills,
    Developing Community
    -- May 12-15, 2015 - Bloomington, MN - http://devobjective.com

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There’s a public list of CFUG on:

http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/

Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well maintained, quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

One thing to bear in mind is that Adobe has not been very receptive to its official CFUGs having talks about “competing” CFML engines so tread carefully. They’ve changed the rules about it several times. At one time it was completely verboten, then they softened to allow community members to present as long as it was not recorded / broadcast via Connect… I’m not sure where things stand these days (it’s been a while since I presented Railo at BACFUG and that was considered a personal favor to me at the time). Also a number of CFUGs have become more-than-CF UGs and the rules there may be different again.

Yup, correct. I’m not sure, but my feeling is that people at the Adobe “community” team don’t really even care about CFUGs much these days, they only care about Creative Cloud and all that stuff.> On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Kai Koenig <@Kai_Koenig> wrote:

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One thing to bear in mind is that Adobe has not been very receptive to its official CFUGs having talks about “competing” CFML engines so tread carefully. They’ve changed the rules about it several times. At one time it was completely verboten, then they softened to allow community members to present as long as it was not recorded / broadcast via Connect… I’m not sure where things stand these days (it’s been a while since I presented Railo at BACFUG and that was considered a personal favor to me at the time). Also a number of CFUGs have become more-than-CF UGs and the rules there may be different again.

Sean Corfield – (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect’s View – http://corfield.org/

dev.Objective() - Developing Apps, Developing Skills, Developing Community
– May 12-15, 2015 - Bloomington, MN - http://devobjective.comOn Feb 2, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Kai Koenig <@Kai_Koenig> wrote:

There’s a public list of CFUG on:

User Groups - ColdFusion http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/

Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well maintained, quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

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Yeah, gonna have to concur with Nick. CFUGs aren’t even relevant to Adobe
anymore. CFML isn’t really relevant to anyone at Adobe, except maybe
enterprise sales. And most CFUGs have become less CFML oriented and more
web development oriented to stay alive, so… I can say NVCFUG would be
more than happy to have someone present on Lucee, or give me a hand with
some materials and I’d be happy to present Lucee to NVCFUG myself :wink:

– DennyOn Monday, February 2, 2015 at 10:07:11 PM UTC-5, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:

Since Adobe killed off their developer relations team and barely has their
community team (UG / ACPs / etc) doing anything, there really aren’t any
rules anymore. I’m pretty sure our local CFUG has had more Railo
presentations than ACF presentations.

I couldn’t test my luck by using one of the UGM/ACP Connect accounts, but
otherwise I doubt the meeting topics are even on their radar anymore.

-Nick

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 7:55:41 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote:

On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Kai Koenig grmb...@gmail.com wrote:

There’s a public list of CFUG on:

http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/

Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well maintained,
quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

One thing to bear in mind is that Adobe has not been very receptive to
its official CFUGs having talks about “competing” CFML engines so tread
carefully. They’ve changed the rules about it several times. At one time it
was completely verboten, then they softened to allow community members to
present as long as it was not recorded / broadcast via Connect… I’m not
sure where things stand these days (it’s been a while since I presented
Railo at BACFUG and that was considered a personal favor to me at the
time). Also a number of CFUGs have become more-than-CF UGs and the rules
there may be different again.

Sean Corfield – (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect’s View – http://corfield.org/

dev.Objective() - Developing Apps, Developing Skills, Developing Community
– May 12-15, 2015 - Bloomington, MN - http://devobjective.com

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Since Adobe killed off their developer relations team and barely has their
community team (UG / ACPs / etc) doing anything, there really aren’t any
rules anymore. I’m pretty sure our local CFUG has had more Railo
presentations than ACF presentations.

I couldn’t test my luck by using one of the UGM/ACP Connect accounts, but
otherwise I doubt the meeting topics are even on their radar anymore.

-NickOn Monday, February 2, 2015 at 7:55:41 PM UTC-5, Sean Corfield wrote:

On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Kai Koenig <grmb...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:

There’s a public list of CFUG on:

http://coldfusion.adobe.com/coldfusion/index.cfm/user-groups/

Note: as usual and expected it doesn’t seem to be quite well maintained,
quite a few of the entries are dead (e.g. 404ing).

One thing to bear in mind is that Adobe has not been very receptive to its
official CFUGs having talks about “competing” CFML engines so tread
carefully. They’ve changed the rules about it several times. At one time it
was completely verboten, then they softened to allow community members to
present as long as it was not recorded / broadcast via Connect… I’m not
sure where things stand these days (it’s been a while since I presented
Railo at BACFUG and that was considered a personal favor to me at the
time). Also a number of CFUGs have become more-than-CF UGs and the rules
there may be different again.

Sean Corfield – (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect’s View – http://corfield.org/

dev.Objective() - Developing Apps, Developing Skills, Developing Community
– May 12-15, 2015 - Bloomington, MN - http://devobjective.com

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I’d also ditto the earlier replies. I wouldn’t worry about discussing an
ACF competitor at all.On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 2:50:55 PM UTC-6, Adam Cameron wrote:

G’day:
I just saw someone mention a CFUG meeting on Twitter.

Should some representation from Lucee be trying to contact CFUGs to do a
presentation to them?

What is the programme for getting the word out there?

–
Adam

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We did once a road trip in the us and visited a lot of cfugs to present
Railo, what was really great because you met other people’s than you meet
at conferences. At one of the cfug events Adam Lehman, head of the
coldfusion team at Adobe at that time, was in the audience. But like Sean
said, then Adobe changed the rules and this was no longer possible. Since
then we never approached cfugs directly anymore.
Put of course we can help out with material to do so, we should publish
material like this on our website. we also discussed to do a road trip in
the us and in Europe to spread the word, but not at cfug events. Simply
events like we did in London for the launch of lucee. I would also love to
see lucee conferences in the future and we already in talks with Michi Hnat
to do something together with cfcamp.

MichaAm Samstag, 7. Februar 2015 schrieb Raymond Camden :

I’d also ditto the earlier replies. I wouldn’t worry about discussing an
ACF competitor at all.

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 2:50:55 PM UTC-6, Adam Cameron wrote:

G’day:
I just saw someone mention a CFUG meeting on Twitter.

Should some representation from Lucee be trying to contact CFUGs to do a
presentation to them?

What is the programme for getting the word out there?

–
Adam

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AS the comanager of the Northern Virginia ColdFusion Users Group we’d
welcome a someone doing an in person or remote (via connect etc) doing a
preso about Lucee. Feel free to contact Dan Fredericks or me about
it Northern Virginia ColdFusion Users Group (NVCFUG) (Vienna, VA) | Meetup

thx,
larryOn Monday, 2 February 2015 15:50:55 UTC-5, Adam Cameron wrote:

G’day:
I just saw someone mention a CFUG meeting on Twitter.

Should some representation from Lucee be trying to contact CFUGs to do a
presentation to them?

What is the programme for getting the word out there?

–
Adam