Please see my comments between the lines
(This message is in reply to all.)
I am fully aware of the issues involved in unpaid volunteer
organisations, and I am NOT demanding super-fast progress and everything
be done now now now. (On the contrary, less haste and more considered
decisions may well help Lucee avoid being slammed head first into a
wall; one of solid metal, not carved stone.)
I am asking for clarity and openness - precisely because of the
unpredictable nature and limited pace - so that the community can
understand what is happening and what is still to come.
If we miss to communicate something, this is not a willingly choice you can
be sure about that.
The only exception would be, if we think that an information could not be
in the interest of the community.
Like we did not share details about the security issue we solved in the
last release, for example.
Obviously share when you have information, but if you don’t, say so
too. Be open and indicate if it’s just a matter of time, or whether
there’s some other matter than needs resolving first, (particularly if
it’s a case where the community might be able to help).
We will do
Absolutely do not say “X will happen very soon” unless you are certain
that X will happen very soon because all the prerequisites are met
and it’s a matter of there being an appropriate time to wait for.
This was happening with the Railo Project a lot and we try to avoid this at
But it is not easy, on one site you want to share the information you have,
beeing open, but on the other site your predication is never a 100%
right…, what we do to avoid this, we discuss about things first because
we communicate it, what also takes time
LAS is leading a project. Communication is key to that.
We are aware of this and we give our best to do this, you will not believe
how much time we spend on this!
Of course, there is still the question of who LAS is.
The website homepage lists five companies in the footer, but the
members page includes a sixth.
The footer is wrong …, we will update that asap, also the member page is
outdated and will be updated very soon.
None of them list the company’s
representatives - the community only has an idea from the posts &
interaction s of various people, but no confirmation of who is/isn’t a
representative of a LAS member company. And there’s no indication of
the unknown quantity of members who are unwilling to formally associate
themselves with Lucee.
Until the last general essembly the board only had natural members, the
founding members of the assocication, of course a natural member does not
need a representative, at least i hope
A corporate member does not need to define a representative to be a member,
this is only necessary if the member get part of the board. So with the EGA
we had a new situation (corporate members in the board), as a first stage
we informated about this with a blog post, but i’m sure this will also be
reflected on the website in the future (I’m not in charge of the
An open organisation would give information about the key roles - not
sub-committees, but the ones handling the general running of the
association - and I realise that the Swiss Civil Code doesn’t obligate
these roles, but they are useful and used by many organisations without
being a requirement.
It is up to the board itself (as defined in the articles of LAS) to decide
the roles of the board members (excpect the role of the president)
We had the EGA last week and we voted the board members, after that we
simply had no time yet to have a first board meeting and decide about the
roles within the board, this should happen on friday. So atm all members of
the board have all roles. In practce this is handled by the same persons as
before until the board decides the roles.
Of course we have a good idea of who will have which role, but we will not
communicate that “idea” before it was offically decided by the board.
Is there a secretary now that Geoff is Daemon’s representative as
president? (He was acting secretary before, yes?) Who is responsible
for checking and responding to the messages received via the website
forms? Is there a treasurer/accountant who deals with membership fees,
supporters, donations, etc?
These might seem like unimportant details, or irrelevant outside of the
association, but again it all comes back to having an open culture,
enabling the community to trust LAS and be reassured that Lucee is a
Completely agree, there is one limitation, if a member decides not to be
named anywhere we will respect that as long they are not part of the board.
What is btw not the case today.On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Peter Boughton <@Peter_Boughton> wrote:
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