Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to Lucee 5 final automatically?

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#1

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2, to
upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by restoring the
4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

#2

Thanks Andrew for your thorough answer.

I am curious and a little bit frightened to upgrade to lucee 5.

#3

In our development environments we have both so we can test different features, pointing to the same webroot.

MD> On 14 Apr 2016, at 10:58, thorsteneilers via Lucee lucee@googlegroups.com wrote:

Thanks Andrew for your thorough answer.
I am curious and a little bit frightened to upgrade to lucee 5.

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#4

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

#5

No need to be afraid. There are several people already running Lucee 5 in
production. I would recommend what Mark said which is to bring up Lucee 5
along side Lucee 4 in a different location and just point the web roots to
the same place and run them on different ports so they don’t conflict. If
you want to have 4 and 5 running at the same time, you’ll want to edit
web.xml to move the WEB-INF outside the web root. The express version of
Lucee 5 doesn’t even need installed.

We’re also working on Lucee 5 “server start” for CommandBox right now so
hopefully that will be released soon to give you another really easy way to
spin up a Lucee 5 server to test.

Thanks!

~BradOn Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:58:05 AM UTC-5, @thorsteneilers wrote:

Thanks Andrew for your thorough answer.

I am curious and a little bit frightened to upgrade to lucee 5.

#6

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update via the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full backup of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2, to
upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by restoring
the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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#7

Travis, can you share some more about your installation and what folders
are there? Can you confirm that there are no other instances of the old
lucee.jar left? What jars did you remove? If the old lucee.jar (and the
accompanying jars like apache-commons-… etc are gone, there should be no
way Lucee 4.5 is still booting up. Also, can you confirm which Lucee 5 jar
you downloaded?

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
*Ortus Solutions, Corp *

E-mail: brad@coldbox.org
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
Blog: http://www.codersrevolution.comOn Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Travis Peters <@Travis_Peters> wrote:

Well, that makes sense.
I’ve followed the instructions here (
http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html)
assuming your suggested folder is correct
and… nada… no upgrade happened.

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-5, Jordan Michaels wrote:

If I recall correctly on Windows it’s C:\lucee\lib - basically where the
Lucee-specific jars are kept. :wink:

Hope this helps!

–
Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: “Travis Peters” w.travi...@gmail.com
To: “Lucee” lu...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:24:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Lucee] Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to
Lucee 5 final automatically?

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update via
the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early
December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that
would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full
backup of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net -
Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2, to
upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by restoring
the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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#8

If I recall correctly on Windows it’s C:\lucee\lib - basically where the Lucee-specific jars are kept. :wink:

Hope this helps!–
Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: “Travis Peters” <@Travis_Peters>
To: “Lucee” lucee@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:24:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Lucee] Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to Lucee 5 final automatically?

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update via the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full backup of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net - Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2, to
upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by restoring
the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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#9

The file I downloaded was lucee-5.0.0.235-RC.jar (62.3MB)

I stopped all instances of lucee on tomcat (I’m running several)
I removed all .jar files from c:\lucee\lib and copied in the aforementioned
file, then renamed it to lucee.jar.
c:\lucee also contains a folder called tomcat

I believe you’re right that there’s no way lucee 4.5 is still booting…
and you’re right.
I was expecting the folder to populate with a plethora of .jars again.
Browsing to /lucee/admin/server.cfm confirmed I’m now running 5.0.0.235-RCOn Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-5, Brad Wood wrote:

Travis, can you share some more about your installation and what folders
are there? Can you confirm that there are no other instances of the old
lucee.jar left? What jars did you remove? If the old lucee.jar (and the
accompanying jars like apache-commons-… etc are gone, there should be no
way Lucee 4.5 is still booting up. Also, can you confirm which Lucee 5 jar
you downloaded?

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
*Ortus Solutions, Corp *

E-mail: br...@coldbox.org <javascript:>
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
Blog: http://www.codersrevolution.com

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Travis Peters <w.travi...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Well, that makes sense.
I’ve followed the instructions here (
http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html)
assuming your suggested folder is correct
and… nada… no upgrade happened.

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-5, Jordan Michaels wrote:

If I recall correctly on Windows it’s C:\lucee\lib - basically where the
Lucee-specific jars are kept. :wink:

Hope this helps!

–
Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: “Travis Peters” w.travi...@gmail.com
To: “Lucee” lu...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:24:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Lucee] Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to
Lucee 5 final automatically?

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update via
the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early
December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that
would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full
backup of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net -
Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2,
to

upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by
restoring

the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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#10

Well, that makes sense.
I’ve followed the instructions here
(http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html)
assuming your suggested folder is correct
and… nada… no upgrade happened.On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-5, Jordan Michaels wrote:

If I recall correctly on Windows it’s C:\lucee\lib - basically where the
Lucee-specific jars are kept. :wink:

Hope this helps!

–
Kind regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: “Travis Peters” <w.travi...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
To: “Lucee” <lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:24:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Lucee] Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to
Lucee 5 final automatically?

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update via
the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early
December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full backup
of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net -
Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2, to
upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by restoring
the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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#11

The jars are “there” still, but since Lucee 5 uses OSGI to load, they
aren’t simply dumped in the servlet’s classpath like the days of yore. Now
they’re exploded out into bundles that are loaded via OSGI so they live in
a new location. This is what will enable Lucee 5 to update core 3rd party
jars in the future without needing a whole new installation.

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
*Ortus Solutions, Corp *

E-mail: brad@coldbox.org
ColdBox Platform: http://www.coldbox.org
Blog: http://www.codersrevolution.comOn Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Travis Peters <@Travis_Peters> wrote:

The file I downloaded was lucee-5.0.0.235-RC.jar (62.3MB)

I stopped all instances of lucee on tomcat (I’m running several)
I removed all .jar files from c:\lucee\lib and copied in the
aforementioned file, then renamed it to lucee.jar.
c:\lucee also contains a folder called tomcat

I believe you’re right that there’s no way lucee 4.5 is still booting…
and you’re right.
I was expecting the folder to populate with a plethora of .jars again.
Browsing to /lucee/admin/server.cfm confirmed I’m now running 5.0.0.235-RC

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-5, Brad Wood wrote:

Travis, can you share some more about your installation and what folders
are there? Can you confirm that there are no other instances of the old
lucee.jar left? What jars did you remove? If the old lucee.jar (and the
accompanying jars like apache-commons-… etc are gone, there should be no
way Lucee 4.5 is still booting up. Also, can you confirm which Lucee 5 jar
you downloaded?

Thanks!

~Brad

ColdBox Platform Evangelist
*Ortus Solutions, Corp *

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On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Travis Peters w.travi...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, that makes sense.
I’ve followed the instructions here (
http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html)
assuming your suggested folder is correct
and… nada… no upgrade happened.

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 4:11:48 PM UTC-5, Jordan Michaels wrote:

If I recall correctly on Windows it’s C:\lucee\lib - basically where
the Lucee-specific jars are kept. :wink:

Hope this helps!

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Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies

----- Original Message -----
From: “Travis Peters” w.travi...@gmail.com
To: “Lucee” lu...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 12:24:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Lucee] Lucee 5 RC 2 - Will it be possible to upgrade to
Lucee 5 final automatically?

I’m a little lost: I’m running 4.5.2 on Tomcat (from the bundled
installer) on Windows. I’m not finding any path that looks like
“\lib\etc”. What am I missing?

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 4:39:10 AM UTC-5, Andrew Dixon wrote:

Hi,

To upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 you need to stop Lucee and follow the
instructions here:

http://docs.lucee.org/guides/lucee-5/upgrading-lucee-45.html

It is pretty straight forward, but you can’t do it via the admin.

From Lucee 5.0.0.189 onwards (and RC2 is 5.0.0.235) you can update
via the
Lucee Server Admin.

Several Lucee members, including myself are running Lucee 5 on some
production servers and have been for some time, myself since early
December
last year.

With regards to reverting back from 5 to 4.5.x, I don’t think that
would
be possible in any easy way, the best way would be to keep a full
backup of
the machine you are updating, if a VM of some description, just keep
a
snapshot of the VM you can revert back to if required.

Kind regards,

Andrew
about.me http://about.me/andrew_dixon - mso http://www.mso.net -
Lucee
Association Member http://lucee.org

On 14 April 2016 at 10:22, thorsteneilers via Lucee < lu...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi,
I wonder if it will be possible, if I upgrade from 4.5.x to 5 RC 2,
to

upgrade later to Lucee 5 finall automatically via the lucee admin?

Does anybody use lucee 5 rc 2 in production?

If I have to revert to 4.5.x, would it be possible simply by
restoring

the 4.5-jar?

Regards
Thorsten

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