Expectations of language discussions

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@seancorfield

So if you are coming to the group and have some language idea you want to contribute you are most likely wasting your time

That’s very childish.

I don’t see that as being childish. I’ve got a limited amount of time I can or are willing to spend on this forum. My time is precious and I don’t want to waste time when it could be better used debating something which would add value for LAS. I would rather know or be told early on this idea is “out of scope” or will be consider for a later release. This stops anyone wasting time discuss/debating and everyone then knows the status of the topic. Lets debate/discuss relevant things which are relevant to a version release or whatever the LAS wants feedback on.

@seancorfield don’t you want focused discussion?

@seancorfield

I think having a clear statement of the vision for the Lucee language would help head off a lot of the sorts of unproductive discussions that quickly go off into the weeds, yes.

I would like to contribute if I can in some meaningful way.

The following quote is what I expect to be happening on this forum… I know this point has pasted but I don’t see a topic or topics for each of the items in that spreadsheet.

@seancorfield

LAS have a public forum where they are openly discussing language changes.

For instance maybe there is a group of devs who passionate about ArrayNew() and want some extensions to it or want to keep it. This would then allow good discussion to occur for both sides… If I didn’t come across that spreadsheet by chance in another topic I would have not known about it.

If the spreadsheet is what is suppose to be debated for this release then shouldn’t be a pinned topic? Hopefully the topic would contain some guidance about the process and what is expected from the community.

@agentK is right I am frustrated because I want to contribute in a meaningful way. At the moment I feel topics can be unproductive for everyone’s time. As we can have unfocused green fields topics being created. @seancorfield you know a few languages and there are a lot of different ways CFML could develop in but we (the community) need bounds.

LAS needs to give us (the community) guidance on what they want from us.

For instance we can have a month of green field discussions and at the end of it LAS can pick the ideas for the next release. Then a month refining them… I’m not trying to dictate the process but we need something.

BTW it was @modius tweet from yesterday about the forum which cause me to join ( @agentK )

@modius

We are working on explaining the proposed changes and a structure or boundaries for wider participation.

We are clearly under prepared to go to a wider consultative phase. However, we are here due to peoples desire to participate ahead of time. Rather than close down debate until such time as we are ready for that participation, we are trying to harness peoples enthusiasm to help in that goal.

@modius this has become clear to me now. I understand you position but if you pin a topic laying out this it would be useful to new comers who want to participate.